BraveWords.com Meets NIGHTWISH Bassist Marco Hietala In Helsinki - - New Interview Available
June 15, 2009, 10 years ago
Finnish symphonic power metal band NIGHTWISH continue their journey into a 'new era' with vocalist Annette Olzon as they endlessly support 2007's Dark Passion Play. The highlights of the tour were captured on the DVD Made In Hong Kong released in early spring. The charismatic Nightwish bass player Marco Hietala met BraveWords.com in Helsinki to speak about the 'new era' Nightwish and his own musical career. The chat reads as follows.
BraveWords.com: So how is your Dark Passion Play tour with Nightwish going?
Hietala: "Last tour has been quite rewarding, we had a new start, totally new singer with Nightwish. So, we were pretty confident about the album and the songs, but of course we had to find out if people would like this stuff, if they would come to the shows. And they did, which was really a relief and a nice thing. Of course, touring mainly is that you do the shows and you enjoy that basically every night. But also the timetable was a little more hectic and the touring was more extensive than what we've done before. In that way it was also pretty stressful and hard at time. Basically everybody should know what it is: we've been getting a lack of sleep, long travel hours, lots of time when you do nothing. And then all you waiting for is hour and a half, hour and 40 minutes for every evening to do the show and you basically try to reserve all your energy for that. You get a lot of time to get bored, a lot of time to think that you could be somewhere doing something else instead of just waiting and waiting and waiting and travelling and travelling and travelling. So that is the one side of the business that sucks."
BraveWords.com: And actually you had to cancel some of the gigs. So were you a little happier because you could take a break during that tour?
Hietala: "No. It was in the USA that we had to cancel four shows, because Annette got sick and there was nothing much you could do. But then again I would have rather done the shows, because that's why we were there. And we basically had just five days off, not doing anything except for having too much to drink and got to meet some people and sign some autographs. Basically we end up saying we were sorry for the evening, but we would really like to do the shows."
BraveWords.com: I have noticed that since Annette had come to the band, you started singing much more than you did before, or, at least, during the live shows it is quite obvious that you are much more involved into singing process.
Hietala: "Yeah, it was quite easy, because there were a lot of parts that I could do, so it was easy to integrate that stuff into a live set. We wanted in to be easier for Annette to come in. I don't know how things will work in future when she has some more albums behind her. When there is more material, the things might change into another direction as well."
BraveWords.com: Comparing Tarja and Annette, what is the difference in feeling when you are on stage with either of them?
Hietala: "Well, with Tarja the thing was that she had the stage persona which required more distance. Annette is more of a walker, more down to earth. She goes around and talks to people and tries to get them going. So those are definite differences. And I don’t want to complain about either: Tarja did what was suitable for her, it fitted her style, it fitted her persona. Annette does what she knows how to do and what she is confident with. And for me those things work."
BraveWords.com: There is a new era for Nightwish music, so are you comfortable with the changes musically as well?
Hietala: "Yeah, we rehearsed and wrote the new album already before we had a vocalist for the band. We were already pretty confident about a bunch of songs that we had at that time: 'Yeah, it’s gonna be a kicker of an album.' One thing was that we had to find the singer and of course it would have been quite easy to try out something quite similar to Tarja, because we tons of demo CDs from girls with opera voices. Some of them were pretty good, but we thought that it would be a bold and good move to go on with something totally different. We wanted to try it out and then we thought that Annette would probably be the best for that. And it seems so far this stuff has been working well."
BraveWords.com: What is your favourite Nightwish song at the moment?
Hietala: "I think it is 'Poet And The Pendulum'. I like the challenge of this song: it has got all the atmosphere changes, all the moods, key changes, tempo changes, and then you still have to keep the whole massive piece together, to have a red line going through the song from the start to the finish. So it’s a challenging piece and I really like that. And then the other one of course, that has a special place in my heart, is The Islander. I wrote the music for the song, and then again it’s something totally different from the rest of the live set. You have quite little elements there, the main thing is the acoustic guitar and then the vocal line, and all the rest is basically just the background. You’ve got to create the tension and captivate people with the acoustic and with the vocal line. And those are the essentials that you’ve got to make it work."
BraveWords.com: I have noticed that in general you are quite keen on participating in quite different kinds of projects: you have Nightwish, and you have NORTHERN KINGS and you have TAROT.
Hietala: "I think it's part of my lifestyle: it's the way I feed my head with everything and unload my stuff into different directions. With Nightwish I get a certain role and the music style has its own atmosphere, its own kind of world . And with Northern Kings the whole thing started like tongue-in-cheek kind of thing, it was nothing serious at first, but then we got the record company involved and they started selling the album. The first one sold gold, so it got serious in a business kind of way, even though it is not serious yet either in here. You take the old songs, put them down and take everything into pieces. Then you collect and put them back together in a totally different way."
BraveWords.com: Like a puzzle.
Hietala: "Yeah, something like that, so that's the fun idea of that thing. I feel like home here, because the guys have been my friends for many years and we had fun doing the past stuff."
BraveWords.com: So you weren’t looking for particular singers for Northern Kings?
Hietala: "Well the whole thing started when we were doing this Heavy Christmas and Erkka, the guitar player, was there and a few of the vocalists have been involved with the Christmas project. During that we were travelling from one place to another in the bus, having a few beers, and Erkka once said: ‘Hey it would be fun to do something like 80’s pop songs and put them into symphonic metal, guys singing it in El Divo style. So what do you say guys, if we try that, would you be interested?' Of course we thought it was a great idea. And that’s how it got started."
BraveWords.com: How do you think, will it be a long-lasting project?
Hietala: "I don’t know. So far it has been fun and we really didn’t have that much chance to do it live, but it would be nice to have at least one tour."
BraveWords.com: Do you have enough time for your own band Tarot?
Hietala: "The guys would probably like me to play with them a little bit more, but everybody understands that I am basically the only one who is just doing music and is living off from it. So they would understand that my involvement with Nightwish is a pretty much lasting thing. And Nightwish guys, they’ve become really good friends of mine, so I don’t want to set priorities to either of the bands. I want to work with both of them and Nightwish is the one that really keeps me alive, keeps the food on the table and the roof over the heads of my kids. So I’ll definitely be doing that and I’ll definitely be doing this for as long as I got the time and the energy."
BraveWords.com: On your Tarot site, you have stated that you have equal respect to all kinds of music. So can you state that you equally like for example Finnish rap, JLO, BRITNEY, etc.?
Hietala: "There have to be certain reservations there. For instance, with rap music, there are elements which get boring after a while: the social issues, the gangsta stuff and the black macho stuff. It is something that you really get fed up with after a while, but I really like the way those guys do the sound, the samples, and the atmosphere that you can create by getting these pieces together and putting them together. That’s pretty ambitious stuff at times and that is something that I like. There are things to learn from that over-produced mainstream stuff like Britney Spears: what kind of a recipe there is, how the song is done, what kind of things you put in the layers, what is there at the bottom, what kind of vocal harmonies there are up and stuff like that. It can give you ideas how to do certain things yourself. So I have a kind of respect for all the stuff that I hear. Because I basically end up soaking up and I am like a sponge about things that I hear, I soak them all up. And then I throw the crap and end up using the rest of it in some way. I get the ideas, then I twist them around and put them into something else. Hopefully nobody will be able to recognize them, but if you twist them much enough – nobody would."
BraveWords.com: So all new recipes – they are well-forgotten old ones, aren’t they?
Hietala: "Yeah, but like I said, I like challenges, so no obvious recipes are interesting for me. I like to add pepper to ice-cream."
BraveWords.com: You also were studying to be a sound-engineer, so did you ever take that function during the studio recordings with Nightwish or with Tarot?
Hietala: "Yeah, because I know everything about that stuff, of course I end up having a lot of suggestions, even if someone else is recording or producing. If it is my bass or vocals, I end up having ideas and suggestions how I want things to be done. And usually that’s a good thing, because I do know quite well which kind of things work for me in playing or singing, and what kind of harmonies I like to do. For instance, the last two Tarot albums are pretty much really self-produced. And I have been hired to produce the vocals for the three last AMORPHIS albums."
BraveWords.com: You were having classical vocal lessons; did this kind of education help you a lot? We all know that singing in a metal band sometimes you have to re-learn what you learned during the classical vocal lessons?
Hietala: "Yeah, that’s the thing. I took some of the stuff that they have taught me, for instance, some breathing techniques, some basic relaxation, and how to recognize the way your body works with your voice. But I concentrated on the looseness. And then I concentrated on using the voice the way it just comes out and forgetting about whatever they’ve tried to teach me. I didn’t get really good grades from those lessons, which probably explains why I never got to study further, but then again I haven’t really needed to study further, because it is pretty obvious that at least I am doing ok."
BraveWords.com: Do you feel yourself more like a singing bass player or a singer with a bass guitar?
Hietala: "I think I am a singer and I am a bass player both. And it depends on the song, how much involvement I put to one side or the other. Also it probably depends on the band as well. With Tarot, for instance, I have to be a lot more at the front , so the responsibility vocal-wise is greater than what it is in Nightwish. There I get more time to just step back and play the bass. Well yeah I get more responsible vocal-wise in Tarot and that is something which is one of the heaviest duties in a heavy metal band – to be a vocalist. A lot of people get really stressed out from that. I used to do that myself, but these days I just don’t give a fuck, I mean after all it is my stage, my song."
BraveWords.com: You like participating in different musical projects and you have been doing a lot of musical technical stuff, but if you had a chance to be a judge in such show as Finnish ‘Idols’ would you go for that?
Hietala: "I don’t know. I find this thing to be dishonest to my like. If you think about the money that the TV companies get from the advertisers for buying the advertising time at those prime hours when the programs come out – they get a hell lot of money. Plus the percentage from the phone companies that they get from the people who call to vote or send sms to vote. And the people who own the concept and the formula of the program, they get tons of money, because everywhere in the world they’ve got ‘Idols’. So what if they really added up the competition, so that these people are actually competing there, who get the most of the votes will get a percentage points for the sms and the phone calls, that would be fair. But these people there, they are young, they are ignorant about most of the shitty things that this business has and they are happy to get their faces shown on the TV, to get a chance to be a part of the machine or to get a chance to get a record deal, get out there so that people would know them. Of course they are happy, I wanted the same thing myself when I was 17. But I think the whole thing is just so fucking unfair. Those people who are competing there, they’re the best, so they should get a percentage out of the whole fucking part of money that is going somewhere. No, I don’t think I would go, because I think it’s goddamn unfair."
(Top photo by Jana Blomqvist)