Original Black Sabbath drummer Bill Ward was recently interviewed on The Eddie Trunk Podcast. In addition to explaining his turmoil with Black Sabbath and The Osbournes, the legendary drummer discusses his time in Black Sabbath, recording Heaven & Hell, struggling with alcoholism and the road to his current sobriety, his artwork, new record Accountable Beasts, and more. The complete audio can be heard at this location; an excerpt has been transcribed below.

Ward was asked if the success of Black Sabbath's 13 album - which was released in 2013 and featured Brad Wilk of Rage Against The Machine on drums - and the tour behind it took him by surprise. He replied, "I didn't think it was successful at all. Well, in terms of live attendance, I think it's gonna go, 'cause the band's really well known. But I really didn't… I was working on detachment - serious detachment - and I wanted to make sure that I went down the line and detached myself as much as possible. I had to stop loving them, because if you're loving a dog as it's biting you and ripping your insides out, it's hard to love a dog that's doing that. So I actually stopped loving them, and I had to learn what we call detachment. So whatever they were doing, I could care less. I wasn't interested in the fucking album 13. I've heard twenty bars of it - that's all I've heard - and then I turned it off and said, 'That's a pile of shit,' and that's the truth. And I couldn't care less what they were doing on tour."